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		<title>By: JD Long</title>
		<link>http://www.cerebralmastication.com/2010/01/remote-backup-fail-and-how-to-silently-copy-files/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>JD Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, thanks for your comments. I am going to investigate and see what&#039;s going on. Thanks for hipping me to the different licensing issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, thanks for your comments. I am going to investigate and see what&#8217;s going on. Thanks for hipping me to the different licensing issues.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Long</title>
		<link>http://www.cerebralmastication.com/2010/01/remote-backup-fail-and-how-to-silently-copy-files/comment-page-1/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>JD Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris, it looks like RichCopy is also a GUI. RoboCopy is a command line tool but MS does offer up a RoboCopy GUI which is a different product. I&#039;ll have to check out RichCopy. After a few weeks I&#039;m happy with my RoboCopy script, however ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris, it looks like RichCopy is also a GUI. RoboCopy is a command line tool but MS does offer up a RoboCopy GUI which is a different product. I&#8217;ll have to check out RichCopy. After a few weeks I&#8217;m happy with my RoboCopy script, however <img src='http://www.cerebralmastication.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi J.D. I in no way represent Iron Mountain but have had extensive experience with their backup solutions (both Live Vault and connected). I can assure you that Iron Mountain&#039;s Connected Technology can and does backup all files: open and closed and has no restriction when it comes to Microsoft Office. Allow me to elaborate: 

Iron Mountain supply their software to their Partners via two main options: Subscription and licence. Subscription based Partners use very latest technology and source their data centres directly from Iron Mountain therefore receiving updates and hot fixes when any issues arise. This means that their customers will always have the most recent versions of the software which in this case is capable of backing up and restoring the widest range of file types. 

Your experience suggests your desktop support company are in fact using a licensed version of the connected software which will be limited to the software they purchased and may be some years old. By choosing a vendor that scrimps on technology you&#039;ve unfortunately been left with a bitter taste of the connected product. I would advise you take this up with your provider and find out what version they are running. Alternatively, going straight to Iron Mountain themselves and asking for a referral to a trusted partner and trialling it, or even buying directly from IM will ensure you can always receive the latest version.

Glad you&#039;re still looking into Online Backup though, Hope you find something that works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi J.D. I in no way represent Iron Mountain but have had extensive experience with their backup solutions (both Live Vault and connected). I can assure you that Iron Mountain&#8217;s Connected Technology can and does backup all files: open and closed and has no restriction when it comes to Microsoft Office. Allow me to elaborate: </p>
<p>Iron Mountain supply their software to their Partners via two main options: Subscription and licence. Subscription based Partners use very latest technology and source their data centres directly from Iron Mountain therefore receiving updates and hot fixes when any issues arise. This means that their customers will always have the most recent versions of the software which in this case is capable of backing up and restoring the widest range of file types. </p>
<p>Your experience suggests your desktop support company are in fact using a licensed version of the connected software which will be limited to the software they purchased and may be some years old. By choosing a vendor that scrimps on technology you&#8217;ve unfortunately been left with a bitter taste of the connected product. I would advise you take this up with your provider and find out what version they are running. Alternatively, going straight to Iron Mountain themselves and asking for a referral to a trusted partner and trialling it, or even buying directly from IM will ensure you can always receive the latest version.</p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re still looking into Online Backup though, Hope you find something that works!</p>
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		<title>By: Boris Shor</title>
		<link>http://www.cerebralmastication.com/2010/01/remote-backup-fail-and-how-to-silently-copy-files/comment-page-1/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris Shor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing: RichCopy is apparently a superset of RoboCopy. I&#039;ve used it, and it works real well on a local network.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.04.utilityspotlight.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing: RichCopy is apparently a superset of RoboCopy. I&#8217;ve used it, and it works real well on a local network.</p>
<p><a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.04.utilityspotlight.aspx" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.04.utilityspotlight.aspx?referer=');">http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.04.utilityspotlight.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dornquast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Dornquast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve replaced countless (more than 100,000, less than 1 million) installations of Iron Mountain.  While I can&#039;t get specific on where, I can safely say you&#039;d be shocked by how many of the worlds leading technology companies run our software on every desktop.  

Best of all - It&#039;s free for personal use.  Give it a shot.. or.. if you want a permanent IT friend for life, recommend our CrashPlan PRO product to your IT department.  They&#039;ll keep you flush with high technology for the remainder of your life as thanks.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve replaced countless (more than 100,000, less than 1 million) installations of Iron Mountain.  While I can&#8217;t get specific on where, I can safely say you&#8217;d be shocked by how many of the worlds leading technology companies run our software on every desktop.  </p>
<p>Best of all &#8211; It&#8217;s free for personal use.  Give it a shot.. or.. if you want a permanent IT friend for life, recommend our CrashPlan PRO product to your IT department.  They&#8217;ll keep you flush with high technology for the remainder of your life as thanks.  <img src='http://www.cerebralmastication.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JD Long</title>
		<link>http://www.cerebralmastication.com/2010/01/remote-backup-fail-and-how-to-silently-copy-files/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>JD Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris, I am going to research Unison. It sounds like a really good possible solution. Thank you for letting me know about it! 

Phil, I&#039;ve recommended Carbonite to others. I think it&#039;s a really good solution. For my personal use I prefer Jungle Disk. For work I didn&#039;t go that direction because of the fees. I&#039;d have to deal with paying for it with my work CC and then expensing it. For personal use, it sounds like a very good way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris, I am going to research Unison. It sounds like a really good possible solution. Thank you for letting me know about it! </p>
<p>Phil, I&#8217;ve recommended Carbonite to others. I think it&#8217;s a really good solution. For my personal use I prefer Jungle Disk. For work I didn&#8217;t go that direction because of the fees. I&#8217;d have to deal with paying for it with my work CC and then expensing it. For personal use, it sounds like a very good way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Rack</title>
		<link>http://www.cerebralmastication.com/2010/01/remote-backup-fail-and-how-to-silently-copy-files/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Rack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I laugh out loud at some of your word choices... You&#039;re writing style is great. I have my own website that is hosted by iPower. As part of the annual fee I have access to Carbonite (2GB version) for backups. I just started using this two days ago so I don&#039;t have a lot to say about it yet. I only backup certain directories (source code and docs) so 2GB works right now. If this proves successful, I may just bite the bullet and buy the $50 plan for unlimited storage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laugh out loud at some of your word choices&#8230; You&#8217;re writing style is great. I have my own website that is hosted by iPower. As part of the annual fee I have access to Carbonite (2GB version) for backups. I just started using this two days ago so I don&#8217;t have a lot to say about it yet. I only backup certain directories (source code and docs) so 2GB works right now. If this proves successful, I may just bite the bullet and buy the $50 plan for unlimited storage.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris Shor</title>
		<link>http://www.cerebralmastication.com/2010/01/remote-backup-fail-and-how-to-silently-copy-files/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris Shor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheap, easy, fast does the trick, of course!

You can install Unison without Cygwin, though, on Windows. And you don&#039;t need a remote server either, just a mapped drive, which you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheap, easy, fast does the trick, of course!</p>
<p>You can install Unison without Cygwin, though, on Windows. And you don&#8217;t need a remote server either, just a mapped drive, which you have.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Long</title>
		<link>http://www.cerebralmastication.com/2010/01/remote-backup-fail-and-how-to-silently-copy-files/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>JD Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RoboCopy is not at all a &quot;real&quot; backup solution. It&#039;s really just an robust copy tool.

For our use case I decided (for a number of reasons too long to list here) that we just wanted simply file mirroring. The downsides of using RoboCopy for mirroring are: 

1) no binary delta, ie it copies any file that has changed even if that change is simply one bit. 

2) I have to do the *.vbs calling *.bat to make it totally silent.

3) No compression.  

4) No GUI to set which files get copied (yes, that might be a pro, not a con)


The big reasons why I went with simple mirroring are:

1) Already using version control for most files which I might want to &quot;roll back&quot; in time

2) Needed to make a decision and get it implemented on 2-3 user laptops in 1 day. Not much time to tinker. 

3) Need to be easy to validate backups. A copy has very few moving parts and a user can just look in a directory and see if the latest backed up files are there. No need for client software or other abstractions. 


I like Rsync, but since the machines are Windows I was concerned about the hassle of installing Cygwin, then getting the scripts right and then getting them to execute silently. Plus I&#039;d have to get an rsync server running on my server (it&#039;s also Win). So I went the easy route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RoboCopy is not at all a &#8220;real&#8221; backup solution. It&#8217;s really just an robust copy tool.</p>
<p>For our use case I decided (for a number of reasons too long to list here) that we just wanted simply file mirroring. The downsides of using RoboCopy for mirroring are: </p>
<p>1) no binary delta, ie it copies any file that has changed even if that change is simply one bit. </p>
<p>2) I have to do the *.vbs calling *.bat to make it totally silent.</p>
<p>3) No compression.  </p>
<p>4) No GUI to set which files get copied (yes, that might be a pro, not a con)</p>
<p>The big reasons why I went with simple mirroring are:</p>
<p>1) Already using version control for most files which I might want to &#8220;roll back&#8221; in time</p>
<p>2) Needed to make a decision and get it implemented on 2-3 user laptops in 1 day. Not much time to tinker. </p>
<p>3) Need to be easy to validate backups. A copy has very few moving parts and a user can just look in a directory and see if the latest backed up files are there. No need for client software or other abstractions. </p>
<p>I like Rsync, but since the machines are Windows I was concerned about the hassle of installing Cygwin, then getting the scripts right and then getting them to execute silently. Plus I&#8217;d have to get an rsync server running on my server (it&#8217;s also Win). So I went the easy route.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris Shor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris Shor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does RoboCopy do compression on-the-fly, or differential copies (eg transfering only the part of the file that changed)? Rsync/Unison do both, and Windows Live Sync does the former. But Live Sync is cool in that it updates/syncs dynamically, as files are changed. Obviously that won&#039;t work for databases or PST files. And it needs a client application on either end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does RoboCopy do compression on-the-fly, or differential copies (eg transfering only the part of the file that changed)? Rsync/Unison do both, and Windows Live Sync does the former. But Live Sync is cool in that it updates/syncs dynamically, as files are changed. Obviously that won&#8217;t work for databases or PST files. And it needs a client application on either end.</p>
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